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Anthony Aboud: Three tests for investing through uncertainty

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It’s tempting to retreat to safety during times of uncertainty, but a better approach can be to assess the quality of your current portfolio. ANTHONY ABOUD and SEAN ROGER explain.

Investors can keep capital at work through geopolitical and macro uncertainty by applying a three-part test to every stock they own, says Anthony Aboud, Perpetual’s deputy head of Australian equities.

With energy markets swinging on the US–Iran conflict, rate expectations rising and the rise of AI forcing a reassessment of earnings durability, investors who respond by crowding into traditional defensives are paying higher multiples for safety than history says is wise.

Instead, Aboud says three things matter more than paying up for safety: decisive, founder-minded management, a strong balance sheet to keep options open in a drawdown, and a business model that generates cash.

A company that passes all three tests will hold up through most market conditions, says Aboud.

“It doesn’t matter what happens in the short term – at least you’ll be in good stead. You won’t lose all your capital, and you won’t be forced into a discounted capital raising in periods of volatility,” he says.

Aboud and Roger co-manage Perpetual’s Perpetual Pure Equity Alpha Fund.

Safe havens get crowded

Roger says during times of uncertainty, defensive-style stocks like supermarkets and telcos are attractive to many investors because they can offer relatively secure earnings amid economic stress.

“In periods of uncertainty, investors flock to those sorts of companies for the relative safe haven they present with their earnings – and that’s something that we’re certainly seeing at the moment,” he says.

Passive investing flows are reinforcing the shift to the point that many traditional defensives now look expensive.

“They may have near-term earnings certainty, but Telstra (ASX:TLS) is trading at 20-25 times price to earnings multiple, Woolworths (ASX:WOW) is 26 to 27 times,” he says.

“These are historically very elevated multiples relative to the growth that the companies offer.

“The multiple and the price you’re paying for that earning stability brings in another level of risk, which is capital risk – of ultimately the share prices falling over time, be it through an unforeseen hiccup in their earnings or whatever was causing the original uncertainty fades,” he says.

Growth on sale

The flip side of investors crowding into defensives is that quality companies have been sold off.

“I have never, since I’ve been at Perpetual, even looked at Cochlear (ASX:COH) – it’s been too expensive,” says Aboud.

“Now it’s at a cheaper multiple than Telstra, cheaper multiple than CBA (ASX:CBA). But it’s ungeared, it’s got 50 per cent of a global market, it’s got global growth.

“We’re seeing non-fundamental forced selling.”

Roger points to three more quality names where the market has sold off too hard.

News Corp was caught up in the February-March AI sell-off.

“We think the market’s wrong on News Corp,” Roger says. “Both REA (ASX:REA) and the data business have defensibility against what AI and the large language models can replicate. But also what News Corp is, as a big media database, is an input company into AI. They’ve done big deals with OpenAI and Meta to feed their data into those models, which is driving revenue and earnings for the company.

“The stock’s derated back to a valuation we think that’s really appealing.”

Aspen Property Group (ASX:APZ), a developer of land-lease communities and apartments, is down about 25 per cent on rate concerns.

“They’re very well placed within a market that’s got structural tailwinds to deliver really strong growth over a multi-year period,” says Roger.

Nick Scali (ASX:NCK), the furniture retailer, has fallen from the low $20s to $15-16 on consumer softness.

“Nick Scali has delivered excellent financial and shareholder returns over a long period of time,” says Roger. “They’ve got an emerging business in the UK where we think they’ve made a smart acquisition, and that platform looks like it could be a really good foundation to set it up as the next sort of growth driver for the business.”

 

About Anthony Aboud and Perpetual equities

Anthony is the deputy head of equities and portfolio manager – Perpetual Industrial Share Fund, Perpetual SHARE-PLUS Long-Short Fund and Perpetual Pure Equity Alpha Fund.

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Sean Roger
Sean Roger
Co-Portfolio Manager - Pure Equity Alpha, SHARE-PLUS Long-Short, Perpetual Equity Investment Company (ASX:PIC)
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Anthony Aboud
Deputy Head of Equities, Portfolio Manager - Industrial Shares, SHARE-PLUS Long-Short, Pure Equity Alpha
Analyst, BEc, CFA
Sean Roger
Sean Roger

Sean Roger

Co-Portfolio Manager - Pure Equity Alpha, SHARE-PLUS Long-Short, Perpetual Equity Investment Company (ASX:PIC) BAcc
Bio

Years of experience: 12

Years at Perpetual: 11

Sean is the Co-Portfolio Manager for the Perpetual SHARE-PLUS Long-Short Fund, the Perpetual Pure Equity Alpha Fund and the Perpetual Equity Investment Company (ASX:PIC).

Sean joined Perpetual in February 2013 as a Graduate Accountant. He joined the Investments team in August 2014 as an Equities Dealer and was appointed an Equities Analyst in January 2016 where he was responsible for covering a number of stocks in the gaming and agricultural sectors. He was appointed Deputy Portfolio Manager for the Perpetual SHARE-PLUS Long-Short Fund and the Perpetual Pure Equity Alpha Fund in 2021 and 2022 respectively, and was appointed Co-Portfolio Manager of both funds as well as the Perpetual Equity Investment Company (ASX:PIC) in 2025.

Sean has a Bachelor of Accounting from the University of Technology, Sydney and has completed the Chartered Accountants program.

Anthony Aboud
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Anthony Aboud

Deputy Head of Equities, Portfolio Manager - Industrial Shares, SHARE-PLUS Long-Short, Pure Equity Alpha Analyst, BEc, CFA
Bio

Years of experience: 25

Years at Perpetual: 12

Anthony is the Deputy Head of Equities and Portfolio Manager – Perpetual Industrial Share Fund, Perpetual SHARE-PLUS Long-Short Fund and Perpetual Pure Equity Alpha Fund.

Anthony has been with Perpetual for 12 years. Prior to joining Perpetual, he worked at Ellerston Capital for six years, where he was the Portfolio Manager for the Ellerston Capital Global Equity Management Fund for two years. Before that, he spent 4 years as an analyst working on a long/short strategy. Prior to joining Ellerston Capital, Anthony worked as an Analyst at UBS Investment Bank for 8 years.

Anthony has a Bachelor of Economics from the University of Sydney and has earned the right to use the Chartered Financial Analyst designation.